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Interview With Sergei Lavrov, A Peek Into The Bizarre Language of Russian Propaganda


The head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia became a guest of the live broadcast of Radio Komsomolskaya Pravda Photo: Mikhail Frolov

This intriguing and rather bizarre interview Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov gave to Komsomolskaya Pravda (KP.ru), this should be a must-read for anyone wanting to understand the Russian leadership and Russian citizen mindset after saturation by Russian propaganda.

Lavrov really does an admirable job translating Russian propaganda into plain-speak and back again. I just made up the two-word phrase “plain-speak”, it’s my way of saying ‘a truth based on facts and not propaganda’.

A few key excerpts in bold print and indented.

From a reader of KP.ru, who is asking when will Ukraine attack Russia.

Our reader Vlad directly asks: “Mr. Minister, tell me honestly, what to expect? Will they attack us? ”

Notice the perspective, a hand-picked question.  Russia is portrayed as the victim. This is a result of Russian propaganda stating and reinforcing the outrageous story that Ukraine plans to attack Russia.

From FM Lavrov.

“We will not fight with Ukraine, I promise you.”

The problem is Russian forces are arrayed on Ukraine’s Eastern border in invasion force strength.

Lavrov:

We see international treaties collapse.

Perhaps Lavrov is referring to the “Agreement between the Russian Federation and the Ukraine on cooperation in the use of the sea of Azov and the strait of Kerch” signed on 24 November 2003. This treaty was effectively broken when Russia refused passage of Ukrainian ships through the Kerch Straits and later the Kerch Straits were physically blocked with a tanker. Oh, wait, that was Russia, he’d never admit to Russia doing anything wrong.

Lavrov:

We see international treaties collapse. At one time, was unilaterally destroyed by the United Statesan anti-ballistic missile treaty, and we were forced to take measures that would not allow this extremely negative event to undermine strategic stability. Now the next is an agreement on medium and shorter range missiles, which the United States considers obsolete, first of all, accusing us of violating it, but transparently hinting that they would like similar restrictions imposed by the Soviet Union and States in due time, to extend to the People’s Republic of China, and to a number of other countries, including the DPRK and the Islamic Republic of Iran .

He is referring to the US threatening to withdraw from the INF, The Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty, because the US sees Russia violating the INF in Kaliningrad with Iskander-M missiles, with the 9M729 missile.

Lavrov:

…the repeated accusations of Russia in interfering in elections, in hacker attacks on the democratic party, on other structures of the United States have never been substantiated by any facts anywhere.

The Mueller investigation has proof of both Fancy and Cozy bear intrusions into the DNC as a part of their indictments against the GRU et al.

Lavrov:

Soon our church, our priests can actually become martyrs. They are imprisoned, criminal cases are brought up against them. Then there may be a religious war. 

ROC priests have been investigated, their homes and churches search, but there have been no arrests and no cases have been brought to trial. Religious war? Only if Russia declares such.

A. Baranov:

– Many people ask: when will we finally recognize the DNI [DNR] and the LC [LNR]?

S. Lavrov:

– We are not at war with the Ukrainian regime. With the Ukrainian regime, which has all the features of Nazi and neo-Nazi, Russian-speaking citizens of Ukraine who live in the Donbas are fighting.

Russia launders money through the DNR, it is to their advantage not to recognize the DNR. Additionally, by not recognizing the DNR and LNR, they keep Ukraine off-balance diplomatically and militarily. This opens up Russia to charges of supporting terrorism or even conducting terrorism, however.

Then, painfully, the two interviewers become emotionally attached to Russia recognizing the LNR and DNR.  Bizarrely, Lavrov says it is important to Russia to maintain a relationship with Ukraine and at the end, “we will not fight with Ukraine, I promise you that”.

S. Lavrov:

– I want to understand, you propose to recognize the DNI and the LC?

D. Aslamov:

– Of course.

S. Lavrov:

– And then?

D. Aslamov:

– And then we protect our territory, which we recognized, we help our fraternal peoples.

S. Lavrov:

“And you want to lose the rest of Ukraine, leave it to the Nazis?”

D. Aslamov:

– Not. I believe that the Nazi regime in general need to fight. Because they imposed martial law against us. They attack our ships.

A. Baranov:

– I do not agree with you.

D. Aslamov:

– You may not agree. But what will we do when our priests kill?

S. Lavrov:

– We will not fight with Ukraine, I promise you that.

The influence of Russian propaganda is shown, the supposed suppression of the Russian language.

The fact that now this regime is beginning to destroy its own constitution guaranteeing the rights of the Russian language

Ukraine now promotes the Ukrainian language but does not suppress the Russian language.  It is discouraged, as any sovereign nation can do to promote its national character.

The interview descends into an inane reliance on Russian propaganda to call the village of Zaitseve a Nazi village and Lavrov argues against it.

D. Aslamov:

– Ukraine is a state with the Nazi regime. We will not have affairs with them, because you cannot deal with Hitler.

S. Lavrov:

– You know, I disagree with that too. This is a beautiful position. Probably somewhere in the village of Zaitsevo

I do not have the space or time to analyze every section of this interview, but it is well worth reading the entire interview. Not only will you gain insight into the propaganda Russian citizens are saturated by, but you will wonder why Russians do not suffer cognitive dissonance.

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Sergei Lavrov – “KP”: Poroshenko is preparing a provocation on the border with the Crimea. He will receive the answer – it will not seem a bit, I assure you

Russian Foreign Minister visiting KP spoke about relations with the United States, the rudeness of Kiev and the Kuril Islands

DARIA ASLAMOVAANDREY BARANOV

 

Sergey Lavrov-about Trump.

I would note that, of course, this Russophobia is to a decisive degree, in our opinion, connected with the internal political struggle. Although, of course, the United States, whoever advocates good relations with Russia, sees us as a competitor. Just like, by the way, to ChinaPeople’s Republic. They see a competitor. But it is not by chance that in the absence of facts proving our sins with respect to the American democracy, the Russophobic campaign did not bring anything. And in recent days and weeks, American propagandists have actively tackled China. Already, China is now the main hacker who is undermining the foundations of American society. So it is sad when the interests of the world community, the interests of global strategic stability and international security are sacrificed in favor of domestic political squabbles. But we will always be ready for dialogue, even in these conditions we never refuse professional conversation in areas in which our partners are ready to consider existing common threats and problems on an equal and fair basis. A round of negotiations took place, after a long break, against terrorism. Contacts are made between our special services. For a variety of other areas, such as the Syrian settlement, the North Korean nuclear issue,Afghanistan , we have, though not always revealing coincidences, but rather regular contacts.

We present the full text of the conversation of the minister with the correspondents of Komsomolskaya Pravda Darya Aslamova and Andrey Baranov. Photo: Mikhail FROLOV

We present the full text of the conversation of the minister with the correspondents of Komsomolskaya Pravda, Darya Aslamova and Andrey Baranov.Photo: MIKHAIL FROLOV

A. Baranov:

– They write: “With such our partners, we do not need enemies.”

S. Lavrov:

– There is such a proverb in Russian.

D. Aslamov:

– Speaking of the fact that the tension in the world is increasing, we had in mind Ukraine. The situation in the Kerch Strait. It really crossed all the borders. We mean the situation in the Donbas. People in Donbas say why they lose to Ukraine in the opinion of the international community. Ukraine has put forward a clear ideological position: Russia is against us, we are at war with Russia, we are protecting ourselves. Russia is declared by the enemy. Soon our church, our priests can actually become martyrs. They are imprisoned, criminal cases are brought up against them. Then there may be a religious war. The situation has become so aggravated, and we all keep the position sluggish and relaxed. Why we do not declare Ukraine a state with the Nazi regime? Then we will have a moral trump card in world society. We are the enemy of the Nazi regime, not the Ukrainian people.

A. Baranov:

– Many people ask: when will we finally recognize the DNI and the LC?

S. Lavrov:

– We are not at war with the Ukrainian regime. With the Ukrainian regime, which has all the features of Nazi and neo-Nazi, Russian-speaking citizens of Ukraine who live in the Donbas are fighting .

“We are not at war with the Ukrainian regime.”

Sergey Lavrov: “We will not fight with Ukraine, I promise you.” Interview “Komsomolskaya Pravda” with the face of Russian diplomacy, a guide to our foreign policy in the world – Sergey Lavrov.

D. Aslamov:

– We can end the relationship with her.

S. Lavrov:

– We have relations with the Ukrainian state. The Ukrainian state is much more and much more important for us than the regime that came to power thanks to the Westbetraying all norms of international law and international behavior. The Ukrainian people have nothing to do with it. And the overwhelming majority of the Ukrainian people, I am sure, want peace for their country, want to get rid of this disgraceful regime and want to return to normal relations with the Russian Federation. Of course, this will have to resolve the internal problems of Ukraine. They are much wider and much deeper than just DNR and LC. Everything happened due to the fact that the West allowed, I believe, criminal connivance, when in February 2014, a day after the EU , through the hands of ministersGermany , Poland and France guaranteed the agreement between Yanukovych and the opposition, the opposition broke up the agreement the next morning. Neither France, nor Germany, nor Poland, nor the United States, which did not sign the paper, but who actively supported this agreement, did not lift a finger, did not even apologize to those who had hoped that this agreement would allow for a peaceful settlement. Three days later, when Dmitry Yarosh, who led all the forceful actions on the Maidan, declared publicly that the Russian had nothing to do in Crimeabecause he will never glorify Bandera, Shukhevych, will never think in Ukrainian, therefore the Russian in the Crimea must either be destroyed or expelled from there, after which unrest began among the Crimean people. And then, when Yarosh was still trying to organize an attack on the Supreme Soviet, all this already resulted in a protest, which led to a referendum, and eventually to the return of the Crimea to the Russian Federation.

D. Aslamov:

– But what to do now?

S. Lavrov:

– I want to explain to you again. Now we are obliged to fulfill the Minsk agreements. And the betrayal of the West manifested itself …

D. Aslamov:

– They collapsed long ago. You talked about this a year and a half ago. They are no longer there, no one observes them, except for the Donbass. You know, if you come to the village of Zaitsevo, where there is a dead man in every house, and you say the words “Minsk agreements”, I do not know what they will do to you. Because they observe them, and the fact that they are wetted every day … And this is all Minsk agreements.

S. Lavrov:

– Daria, I apologize. I believe that the Minsk agreements have no alternative. You propose to recognize …

D. Aslamov:

– You said so last time.

S. Lavrov:

– I said so the year before. You know, the UN Charter is also violated many times, and it also does not work many times. But to give in to panic emotions, I consider, inadmissible.

On December 17, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov was interviewed live on the kp.ru website. Photo: Mikhail FROLOV

On December 17, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov was interviewed live on the kp.ru website.Photo: MIKHAIL FROLOV

D. Aslamov:

– These are not panic emotions.

S. Lavrov:

– I want to understand, you propose to recognize the DNI and the LC?

D. Aslamov:

– Of course.

S. Lavrov:

– And then?

D. Aslamov:

– And then we protect our territory, which we recognized, we help our fraternal peoples.

S. Lavrov:

“And you want to lose the rest of Ukraine, leave it to the Nazis?”

D. Aslamov:

– Not. I believe that the Nazi regime in general need to fight. Because they imposed martial law against us. They attack our ships.

A. Baranov:

– I do not agree with you.

D. Aslamov:

– You may not agree. But what will we do when our priests kill?

S. Lavrov:

– We will not fight with Ukraine, I promise you that.

D. Aslamov:

– What are we going to do with the church?

S. Lavrov:

– We have to achieve that … You see, sometimes recognition of independence, as you are now proposing, DNR and LC and a declaration of war (I don’t imagine how Russia will go to war with Ukraine) – sometimes it is a manifestation of a nervous breakdown and weakness. If we want to preserve Ukraine as a normal, sane, neutral country, we must ensure that everyone who lives in Ukraine is in a comfortable state. And if now you want to leave the rest of Ukraine as national holidays, the day of the creation of the UPA , the birthday of Shukhevych and Bandera …

D. Aslamov:

– that already exist.

S. Lavrov:

– And to proceed from the fact that there will not be already celebrated on May 9 as Victory Day, I disagree with that. In the Minsk agreements, the principle of decentralization of Ukraine is fixed, the principle of the Russian language as a language of use is enshrined where Russian speakers want to speak it. The fact that now this regime is beginning to destroy its own constitution guaranteeing the rights of the Russian language, the fact that it begins to destroy all its international obligations does not mean that we should abandon all Ukrainians under the leadership of this regime.

D. Aslamov:

“But why don’t we officially recognize him as Nazi?”

S. Lavrov:

– What does it mean officially?

D. Aslamov:

– Ukraine is a state with the Nazi regime. We will not have affairs with them, because you cannot deal with Hitler.

S. Lavrov:

– You know, I disagree with that too. This is a beautiful position. Probably somewhere in the village of Zaitsevo …

D. Aslamov:

– But you never know there are such villages.

S. Lavrov:

– I understand that if we now break off all relations with this regime, yes, in the village of Zaitsevo, they will be glad for a week. And then what will happen? Then you will explain why we lost Ukraine for progressive, civilized humanity. And we want to save it. And so now we have an international legal basis to demand from Ukraine and, most importantly, from the West, which is now in charge of this Ukraine …

Lavrov that he is one of the most popular politicians: I didn’t think about it Photo: Mikhail FROLOV

Lavrov that he is one of the most popular politicians: I did not think about itPhoto: MIKHAIL FROLOV

D. Aslamov:

– By the way, how do you feel about the work of the OSCE in this area? The OSCE comes, actually works there against us, spies against Donbass defenders, reports Ukraine. The villages have already started to close when the OSCE enters, because as soon as the OSCE arrives, then it leaves, an otvetka continues to fly in, and bombing begins in any town. This is already a known fact. Moreover, the OSCE is always not on our side. How do you rate her work?

S. Lavrov:

– First, it is not true that the OSCE is directing artillery. The OSCE mission is indeed under very serious pressure, above all Ukrainians, above all Westerners, but this mission does not elude our influence. And gradually, this mission takes steps in the right direction, however, under very serious pressure and not immediately. Example. We have long asked that this mission not just write in its reports that for such a week there were so many attacks, so many civilian objects destroyed, such and such victims among the civilian population, and that it specify which side contact lines which victims and which destruction.

And it was with great difficulty that the first OSCE report on this topic was knocked out a year ago, from which it followed that the overwhelming majority of civilian destruction and civilian casualties were on the east side of the contact line. That is, where the militia live and defend. This report simply fiercely tried to stop Ukraine and not make it public. This did not succeed, the OSCE ultimately acted as it was bound to do. And the corresponding statistics is ready.

The second thing we present to our Western partners, who, I believe, simply covered themselves with shame in this Ukrainian history, starting in February 2014, when they were able to get the opposition to fulfill this agreement, we present the following to them. This is exactly what is related to the media. You are in the Donbas. Our television crews work 24 hours a day on the contact line, showing the front line from the militia. And when our western partners tell us that this militia is to blame for all the clashes, all the shelling, that they are the ones who start these provocations, we show them the work of our journalists, which is always available on the air, and then repeatedly repeat it in the news. And we ask them: if you are so sure that the Ukrainian government behaves correctly, if you are so sure, that you want to convey the truth to your and foreign viewers, why do your Western journalists not work on the western side of the contact line in the same way as ours? There were one or two cases where the BBC once, then someone else went toa couple of days By the way, they made quite an objective material. Maybe that’s why this practice has stopped.

So I am convinced that they are just waiting there for us to end relations with Ukraine and withdraw from the Minsk agreements. Just like after the coup on February 20, 2014, they will wash their hands and say: well, you see, she died that way. We are no longer connected. This will be the greatest mistake.

A. Baranov:

– If Poroshenko will now move the troops to the Donbass again or send ships to the Kerch Strait to ram, what should we do?

S. Lavrov:

– I am sure that there will be provocations. We now heard, by the way, Poroshenkospoke yesterday on this show called the Unifying Council of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, he was never committed to diplomatic expressions, yesterday, I believe, the day before yesterday he crossed all imaginable and inconceivable boundaries. I am such a rudeness from the mouth of a figure who considers himself a politician, just never heard in my life. But if this husk … he sometimes lost his temper, apparently, something happens to him, but this is not my question, but he said, commenting on the martial law, which he wanted to introduce for 60 days, then for 30 days, first throughout the country, then only in the Russian-speaking areas, where he has a very low rating, although it is low in the whole country, but there he is not popular at all and does not enjoy understanding, he said that he would not prolong martial law, unless armed provocations follow on the contact line in the Donbas or, as he put it, on the administrative borders with Crimea. So, it expires on December 25, this is a monthly martial law.

About provocations from Poroshenko.

Lavrov commented on the possible transfer of part of the Kuril Islands to Japan. Photo: Mikhail FROLOV

Lavrov commented on the possible transfer of part of the Kuril Islands to Japan.Photo: MIKHAIL FROLOV

We have information about this, our official representative Maria ZakharovaI have repeatedly said that the armed forces of Ukraine have concentrated about 12 thousand troops, a large amount of equipment, on the contact line. American, British and, apparently, some other instructors are actively helping them in this. American drone patrols in this area quite regularly. This information we presented. But the additional information that we have and which we are inclined to believe that Poroshenko is planning an armed provocation on the border with the Russian Federation, on the border with the Crimea, for the last decade of December. He will receive the answer – it will not seem a little, I assure you. This is our country, these are our borders. And we will not allow him to somehow defend his, as he understands them, interests and violate the rights that Crimeans have defended in full compliance with international law. And, According to our data, he is discussing this provocation on the border with the Crimea with his Western curators, with his Western trustees. And to us, according to our information, it is information that we command respect, it seems reliable.

He is advised to keep fighting of such low intensity so that he can constantly be screamed out in the propaganda field that the Russians are attacking Ukraine, so the Russians need to be subjected to more sanctions, but in no case should military operations be transferred to a phase that will already full replies. Provocation nasty, petty. Our respective services take all necessary measures to prevent such excesses from happening.

A. Baranov:

– I would like to return to the Russian-American relations. You said Poroshenko behaves rude. But, in my opinion, he takes an example from Mr. Pompeo, in a completely boorish manner he spoke here about the Russian government after the flight of our bombers. Tells us what to spend money on, what not to. Trump Man has seven Fridays in the week. You said that, it seems, he was really ready … But look, the person getting on a plane to fly to the “twenty” in Buenos Aires, says: “I am waiting for a new meeting with Putin, she is needed.” It takes several hours. He gets out of the plane in Argentina, says: “There will be no new meeting.” Pereobulsya in the air, as they say. Maybe they really do not want any constructive dialogue with us?

S. Lavrov:

– You know, they are such utilitarian-minded people. They want a dialogue with us where they see it as a benefit. Moreover, now the business mentality is barely manifested in American foreign policy. This is a very short-sighted approach. Because in the end, you can snatch something today, but you will undermine your long-term positions, long-term interests. For Americans, everything is determined by a two-year cycle. Every two years there is an election, something needs to be shown that you are cool, that you get something that others do not, the rest are all weak. And what is happening now with the use of unilateral sanctions, not only against Russia, against China, but also against US allies, these threats of sanctions continue, sanctions are imposed only for violating American law prohibiting trade with Iran. And in France, in Germany there are no laws that prohibit trade with Iran. But when their companies are doing absolutely legal from the point of view of their legislation and from the point of view of international law in business, several billions of them are ended up as a deal, so that they can work in the United States. These are pure raider attacks such. But plus the sanctions that cover the dollar form of payment, probably in the near future will allow some benefits to bring American companies, weaken competitors, on the eve of regular elections to raise employment in the United States. But in the long term, trust in the dollar is undermined, and this undermines the fundamental long-term interests of the United States. Because everyone is already starting to think about how to get rid of dependence on the dollar. But when their companies are doing absolutely legal from the point of view of their legislation and from the point of view of international law in business, several billions of them are ended up as a deal, so that they can work in the United States. These are pure raider attacks such. But plus the sanctions that cover the dollar form of payment, probably in the near future will allow some benefits to bring American companies, weaken competitors, on the eve of regular elections to raise employment in the United States. But in the long term, trust in the dollar is undermined, and this undermines the fundamental long-term interests of the United States. Because everyone is already starting to think about how to get rid of dependence on the dollar. But when their companies are doing absolutely legal from the point of view of their legislation and from the point of view of international law in business, several billions of them are ended up as a deal, so that they can work in the United States. These are pure raider attacks such. But plus the sanctions that cover the dollar form of payment, probably in the near future will allow some benefits to bring American companies, weaken competitors, on the eve of regular elections to raise employment in the United States. But in the long term, trust in the dollar is undermined, and this undermines the fundamental long-term interests of the United States. Because everyone is already starting to think about how to get rid of dependence on the dollar. so they can work in the USA. These are pure raider attacks such. But plus the sanctions that cover the dollar form of payment, probably in the near future will allow some benefits to bring American companies, weaken competitors, on the eve of regular elections to raise employment in the United States. But in the long term, trust in the dollar is undermined, and this undermines the fundamental long-term interests of the United States. Because everyone is already starting to think about how to get rid of dependence on the dollar. so they can work in the USA. These are pure raider attacks such. But plus the sanctions that cover the dollar form of payment, probably in the near future will allow some benefits to bring American companies, weaken competitors, on the eve of regular elections to raise employment in the United States. But in the long term, trust in the dollar is undermined, and this undermines the fundamental long-term interests of the United States. Because everyone is already starting to think about how to get rid of dependence on the dollar. and it undermines the fundamental long-term interests of the United States. Because everyone is already starting to think about how to get rid of dependence on the dollar. and it undermines the fundamental long-term interests of the United States. Because everyone is already starting to think about how to get rid of dependence on the dollar.

A. Baranov:

– They realize it, what do you think?

S. Lavrov:

– I think there are some analysts there, but if you take politicians, they literally think today: here you have to win these elections. And what will happen next, there seems to be no grass to grow.

As for Pompeo . You know, I have not talked with him for a long time. I have a feeling that he is no longer engaged in foreign policy in the Russian direction. Because if he was interested, then we have an understanding of the need to meet and talk. So far, foreign policy in the Russian direction has clearly been delegated to John Bolton. He came a couple of times, met with President Putin , and with his partner, Nikolai Patrushev . I also conducted quite thorough negotiations with him. Well, at least there is some kind of dialogue. At the level of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the State Department, we have not met for a very long time. Met in September in New York, but then 5 ministers – permanent members of the Security Council held a traditional meeting. It was not a bilateral meeting. Our deputies communicate, department directors also communicate, although very often Americans throw out tricks and cancel just a day before an expert contact is scheduled for an appropriate meeting. We are not touchy people.

D. Aslamov:

– Why are we not touchy people?

S. Lavrov:

– On the offended carry water.

D. Aslamov:

– So on us and carry water. What is Russia doing in the Council of Europe, where we have no right to vote? Why is Russia subject to the decisions of the Strasbourg Court? Why we do not leave these organizations, where we are nobody? With this money you can build schools, hospitals.

S. Lavrov:

– We are not paying anything at the Strasbourg court. We pay to the Council of Europe.

D. Aslamov:

– By decisions.

S. Lavrov:

– According to the decisions of the Strasbourg court we pay. You know what percentage of our payments to the Strasbourg Court is related to the fact that there are decisions of the Russian courts to our citizens about whom you bake to pay money. Decisions of the Russian court. And the treasury does not pay.

D. Aslamov:

– So we must return to our problems. What we are looking for help to foreigners?

S. Lavrov:

– We now have a situation when our further participation in the Council of Europe is in doubt. The fact that when we joined the Council of Europe, it was done sincerely and it was in the interests of the country, we have no doubts. Talk to the judiciary and the Supreme Court, and the Constitutional Court, the Ministry of Justice. A very large block of laws that directly facilitate, protect the lives of citizens and protect their rights, was adopted as part of our interaction with the Council of Europe. As part of our perception of the practice that was applicable on the Russian legal basis. The fact that our citizens are forced to appeal to the European Court is not the state appeals, citizens are applying when the Russian court awarded them a payment, if the state did not pay its citizen by the decision of its court, do you think it is not worthy of this payment?

D. Aslamov:

– Worthy, of course.

S. Lavrov:

– That’s all.

D. Aslamov:

– But we must understand at home.

S. Lavrov:

– But it turns out that sometimes we could not figure out without a court. I will tell you more, Russia is now far from the most important client of the European Court of Human Rights. We are in fifth or sixth place in per capita lawsuits. We make the overwhelming majority of payments, in essence, on the basis of decisions of Russian courts. Do not forget about it.

D. Aslamov:

– Will we leave the Council of Europe or not?

S. Lavrov:

– Does it interest you, just to show your ambition? We must not show our ambition, but we must have our dignity. As for the Council of Europe, we are deprived of the right to vote there only in the Parliamentary Assembly, which is an insignificant body, if not for one of its functions – to elect judges, the Commissioner for Human Rights and the Secretary General of the Council of Europe. In the Council of Europe Committee of Ministers, which is not a consultative, but a law-enforcement body, no one deprived us of our rights. Now we are proving to the Council of Europe that this cannot go on forever. That, in accordance with the statute of the Council of Europe, all member countries have equal rights in all its bodies. And there is a legal conclusion prepared by the current Secretary General, which states that the decision of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe is contrary to the charter of this organization. Accordingly, it is necessary to change it. We have explained here to our colleagues that there can be no partial solutions. Because we wanted to be reassured by the fact that we, let’s give you, will restore the rights only to elect officials. And all the other rights for now hold. We categorically refused this. And the moment of truth will come in June, when a new general secretary will be elected. If we do not take part in his election, it will already be a signal that the Council of Europe loses its value for us as an organization that respects the principle of equality. We categorically refused this. And the moment of truth will come in June, when a new general secretary will be elected. If we do not take part in his election, it will already be a signal that the Council of Europe loses its value for us as an organization that respects the principle of equality. We categorically refused this. And the moment of truth will come in June, when a new general secretary will be elected. If we do not take part in his election, it will already be a signal that the Council of Europe loses its value for us as an organization that respects the principle of equality.

D. Aslamov:

“You speak of dignity.” Dignity, it seems to me, we often get humiliated in a variety of situations. In Poland, destroyed a lot of monuments to Russian soldiers. We have killed 600 thousand boys there. Why is there no mirror response, as is customary in your diplomacy? If you are going to touch our monuments – we customize the bulldozers at Katyn. It will be so – we cut down your monuments.

S. Lavrov:

– Are you seriously?

D. Aslamov:

– I am absolutely serious.

S. Lavrov:

“Daria, I’m sorry you’re serious.” I was hoping you were joking.

A. Baranov:

– Unfortunately, Daria voices a fairly general opinion that sounds from our listeners. What do you say about this?

S. Lavrov:

– I think this is not Orthodox. And not at all Christian.

D. Aslamov:

– Do they act in a Christian way?

S. Lavrov:

– Of course not.

D. Aslamov:

– Where, then, is diplomacy, the mirror response? You have done us muck – we will do muck to you. Where then is our dignity?

S. Lavrov:

– Our dignity is just to be above it and not fall to the level of these neo-Nazis.

D. Aslamov:

“We’re above it all the time.” And in the Skripale case, we were above that.

S. Lavrov:

– And what about the Violin?

D. Aslamov:

– By the way, what about the Violin? Where is our consul, where are our people, where is our Julia Skripal? All the English lawyers asked me one thing: why doesn’t your consul submit to an ordinary English court that will demand to see Yulia Skripal dead or alive? Where is our Julia Scripal? This is our citizen. And they say: in the West, they act only in the courts. Go to court and serve as a state, demand access. All rights are on our side. Why did we act so sluggishly? Why, when our president Theresa May accuses of murder, we do not sue?

A. Baranov:

– Maybe we do not know something, and such actions are underway?

S. Lavrov:

– If you were watching what our ministry reports, including at official briefings, then you could have a slightly different picture of what is happening. We are seeking. In full accordance with international law. Because English law will not help us here. There are the Vienna Conventions on consular and diplomatic relations that oblige the British government to present us our citizen (because Skripal has dual citizenship).

D. Aslamov:

– But you can come to an ordinary British court. This was explained to me by lawyers in England. And Swiss lawyers said that you can file a British court, prove on the spot, demand that we be given our citizen. At least they presented it to the consul.

S. Lavrov:

– You know, no court here will help. Because there is an international obligation that is absolutely irrevocable. And we will demand that the Vienna Convention be implemented.

D. Aslamov:

– And at what stage are these negotiations now?

S. Lavrov:

– Concerning the courts. I remind you how we tried to deal with the problem of the Litvinenko case when he was allegedly poisoned.

D. Aslamov:

– And the court could not prove anything.

S. Lavrov:

– Not. The court did not want to prove anything. The court simply took and made the investigation closed. Rather, he made it in a format that prohibits to show documents of special services. Now, when we demanded information on Squealists, when we demanded information related to the Scriptures in the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, including the British, we were officially answered: this question is a matter of British security, therefore no announcement, no substantive response from London it is not subject.

Sergey Lavrov on the case of Skripale.

D. Aslamov:

– But international law is higher than their laws? Vienna convention above?

S. Lavrov:

– Yes of course.

D. Aslamov:

– And we can not achieve anything through the courts?

S. Lavrov:

– We will continue to seek a meeting with our citizen.

A. Baranov:

– And to this, their foreign minister said that Russia should shut up and step aside?

S. Lavrov:

– Yes. You know, he is a man who has a very big vanity spreads over an inferiority complex. I saw him. And I am very sad that such foreign ministers in the United Kingdom are being promoted to conduct international policy. He spoke to me, we met in New York, 5 foreign ministers – permanent members of the Security Council. We sat together with the five of us at the same table. After that, he went out and began to declare that I, in my opinion, had claims on 12 trains, accusing me of everything.

For one and a half hours, the Minister of Foreign Affairs answered the questions of correspondents and readers of the “KP” Photo: Mikhail FROLOV

Minister of Foreign Affairs to respond to questions from readers and correspondents “KP” one and a half hoursPhoto: MIKHAIL FROLOV

A. Baranov:

– And what did you answer him?

S. Lavrov:

– I did not answer. It is impossible to talk with such people. And in the case of Skripale, I assure you, we do not cease to raise this topic. And I am convinced one hundred percent that, just like with the Malaysian Boeing, we must demand answers. And the more our partners will delay the reaction, the more they will have in the down that we have …

A. Baranov:

– According to Boeing, the relatives of the passengers filed a lawsuit against us.

S. Lavrov:

– That’s right, sued. Therefore, we want to understand one simple thing. That’s when they say: you did it with the Violinists, you have to say – this is Putin’s order or it’s Putin who lost control over the special services and they did it without his knowledge. And then, no one had a clear reason. Therefore, “Highly Likely” that Russia did. This is baby talk, not a serious trial. We say specifically: where is Julia Skripal? Why don’t my sister get a visa? We officially requested them many times. In court for a visa not filed. And the same thing we ask about the Malaysian “Boeing”. Why did they not include in the investigation what the Almaz-Antey concern, the manufacturer of this Buka, had provided? Why, unlike us, the Ukrainians did not give data from their radar? Do not give a record of negotiations dispatchers? Why the Americans did not give satellite imagery? People are silent. But we owe

A. Baranov:

– Maybe not to remind, but to demand tougher? In social networks already anecdotes go about you in a recommendatory style. Want to tell?

S. Lavrov:

– Come on, of course. I read a lot about myself.

A. Baranov:

– Lavrov comes to negotiate with Pompeo. He puts his briefcase on the table, takes out a jar of grated horseradish from there …

S. Lavrov:

– This is not with Pompeo, this is with Taro Kono.

“Lights up and politely smiles.” Lavrov was told a joke about how he negotiates. Interview “Komsomolskaya Pravda” with the face of Russian diplomacy, a guide to our foreign policy in the world – Sergey Lavrov.

A. Baranov:

– Never mind. Ears cut off from a toy donkey. A bunch of fig leaves. Then he lights up and politely greets. So with them it is necessary, in my opinion. And we somehow express concern, pay attention.

S. Lavrov:

– If you want to have slang from the gateway in international discourse, so that we all are on the same board, I still think that sometimes … You know: Jupiter , you are angry, which means you are wrong. If you want to ruffle you, and you are shown how I feel, I read your reports from hot spots, I have great respect for what you are doing, I say once again that we are ashamed of our western colleagues for not having their journalists go on the Donbass and do not show the truth. As well as, in my opinion, there are not very many of them in Syria . But to break into the areal battle – with all the understanding that grace is not our most distinctive feature, we still want to be kept within the limits of let out by us, but decency.

A. Baranov:

– Readers ask: is it true that the cellars of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs are filled with suitcases with your great patience?

S. Lavrov:

– We have no basements.

D. Aslamov:

– I worked in the Transcaucasus – in Armenia and in Georgia. There is quite a serious situation. We missed the situation in Georgia. In Anaklia, Americans are now building a deep-water port. It is two steps away from Sochi. Previously, nuclear submarines planned to hold there, which is extremely dangerous for us. A NATO base is being built near Tbilisi. I’m not talking about the three secret biolabs. Nine motorized infantry battalions are being trained. They told me directly that it was against Russia. Salome Zurabishvili said at the inauguration that they would fight with all their might against the Russian occupation. And we are silent. 40% of the population of Georgia are in favor of rapprochement with Russia. 80% – for the dialogue. They say: you feed us …

S. Lavrov:

– What does it mean – we are silent? Boats, biolabs, motorized infantry regiments …

D. Aslamov:

– Battalions.

S. Lavrov:

– This is more believable. And what does it mean – we are silent?

D. Aslamov:

– Georgians say: you feed us. All stores are crammed with our goods. You opened us a huge market.

S. Lavrov:

– I know that. And what does it mean – we are silent?

D. Aslamov:

“Either you are closing these bases that directly threaten security, or we are closing the border for your goods.”

S. Lavrov:

– What do you have such advisers straight from the high road?

D. Aslamov:

– Onishchenko could always find a good worm wherever possible. Why do we now have Georgian wines sold, earn us, and at the same time they are struggling with our occupation.

S. Lavrov:

– We and Ukrainians earn huge millions, as you know.

D. Aslamov:

– It is necessary to respond to this. Why are you such broken boys constantly?

S. Lavrov:

– Prompt. Maybe we do not understand something? We do not say that we know the only correct answers. Answer as – close the border, terminate the relationship?

D. Aslamov:

– The Georgians propose to close the border, say: there is no trade, there are no money transfers until you close the naval American base that you are building under our nose.

S. Lavrov:

– Well, we broke off all relationships …

D. Aslamov:

– We do not have them, diplomatic.

S. Lavrov:

– Never mind. We have a relationship. I just want to understand the logic of those people who turn you on like this.

D. Aslamov:

“Because they say that we have no policy at all regarding Georgia.” We are just glad that Saakashvili is not there. But besides Saakashvili, anti-Russian forces are quietly working there in large numbers.

S. Lavrov:

– So, we have interrupted the relationship that we are building in recent years. First there were charter flights, then regular flights, then their number increased: Tbilisi , Moscow , St. Petersburg, Yekaterinburg , Kutaisi . People fly full planes. Tourists fly. Trade at height, in my opinion, we are now the first trading partner of Georgia . And regular events began to be held in the area of ​​civil societies. People meet, talk, try to comprehend where we are now. Imagine, we have tore it all apart for the sake of your friends, who for some reason feel hurt …

The head of the Russian Foreign Ministry congratulated our readers on the upcoming New Year and Merry Christmas. Photo: Mikhail FROLOV

The head of the Russian Foreign Ministry congratulated our readers on the upcoming New Year and Merry Christmas.Photo: MIKHAIL FROLOV

D. Aslamov:

– No, for the sake of the base, which will be under Putin’s nose.

S. Lavrov:

– We broke off relations at the request of your friends, but we still built a base, the battalions still prepared. And the biolaboratory still works. So what?

D. Aslamov:

– But some answer should be from our side?

S. Lavrov:

– Do you think that you just need to answer to show your I, or what?

D. Aslamov:

– And I have to show my.

S. Lavrov:

– and everything?

D. Aslamov:

– These are economic levers of pressure, as well as military ones. If Georgia lives at our expense, it will howl when they simply have nothing to eat, sorry.

S. Lavrov:

– I assure you, they will find a way to exist. I just want to come up on the other side. What are you offering? Strangle Georgia. For what?

D. Aslamov:

– What are the Americans doing? Smother.

S. Lavrov:

For reasons of principle, I am categorically against foreign policy, which will consist in: well, here we are offended, that’s it, let’s break off relations. Then it is necessary to break relations with America , then it is necessary to break relations with England . You have no friends there who advise you?

D. Aslamov:

– America clearly responds with sanctions, and we do not impose sanctions. Enter sanctions against Georgia. We have a strategic ally, Armenia. Why did we allow three American laboratories to be built there in 2016?

S. Lavrov:

– With Armenia , we are completing the process of preparing a document that will guarantee the non-presence of foreign military there and which will guarantee that everything is transparent.

D. Aslamov:

– And Kazakhstan?

S. Lavrov:

– Same.

D. Aslamov:

– Do they clean these labs?

S. Lavrov:

– An agreement is being prepared that will guarantee that there will be no foreign military, and that everything that is being done there will be transparent from the point of view of guarantees that there will be no threats and risks.

D. Aslamov:

– When you come to Armenia, 19 of our diplomats and two and a half thousand American workers are sitting. And that’s what I’m told by political consultants in Armenia. For decades, Russia has used clumsy force against the former republics. She never works with the opposition. Therefore, for her, Pashinyan was a huge surprise. He never works with civilian activists, but only with people of power who are hated in a society whose rating, according to Russian officers, is zero point fucking tenths. Where did this blindness of Russian diplomacy come from?

S. Lavrov:

– This is the Armenians write?

D. Aslamov:

– We have already argued about soft power. If there are five thousand American NGOs there that spill youth, which becomes absolutely pro-American and anti-Russian, there are no our NGOs, there are no our media …

S. Lavrov:

– What is your conclusion? There is a dilemma: either to send three thousand diplomats there and create five thousand NGOs , or to break off diplomatic relations?

D. Aslamov:

– Here, I think, is better soft power.

S. Lavrov:

– And why?

D. Aslamov:

– These people treated us well. And now – worse. And it will be worse and worse. Because the youth is growing up, and it is processed.

S. Lavrov:

– We are treated well in Georgia. And you propose to break the relationship.

D. Aslamov:

– Young people are raised on the fact that Russia is bad. Children prove that Russia attacked Georgia ten years ago.

S. Lavrov:

– There is a report commissioned by the European Union, which was prepared by a group of experts, led by Ms. Tagliavini, who said that the order to attack was probably given by Saakashvili .

And in the European Union this is not disputed by anyone. They then begin to say there: yes, this is true, but you inadequately answered, etc. This, as they say, is a conversation in favor of the poor.

As for soft power. Indeed, I will not argue, in our country not only in Armenia, but in any CIS country , not by a percentage, but 2-3 times less diplomats than the United States. Here are 2500 – this is with employees who come on a rotational basis …

A. Baranov:

– By the way, Americans in Armenia have the second largest embassy in the world .

S. Lavrov:

– They have their own criteria by which they work. We also have our own traditions, our own financial restraints, if you like. Because this entire non-governmental team, which works in the former Soviet Union, it costs money. Overwhelmingly, this is either the international development agency under the State Department, which is a donor of these non-governmental organizations, or it is a republican international institution, or a democratic institution, or other structures. George Soros, of course, there is very, very actively working, as in many other parts of our space (and not only ours). Yes, here they have a quantitative advantage, I will say this. We cannot answer in such numbers, we cannot mirror the creation of such puppet organizations (calling things by their proper names), because many have a very provocative agenda. I agree that it is necessary to work with all political forces. It is not true that we do not do this. We work with everyone, and not only in Transcaucasia, but also in other parts of the post-Soviet space, we work with all systemic oppositionists. With non-system, with underground workers, we do not work. I think that is correct. But various parliamentary structures – yes, we had relations with them. Just as we had relations with those 9 deputies who were from Pashinyan’s party in parliament during the time of the government of Serzh Sargsyan. Another thing is that, probably, we lost … Or rather, we probably acquired immunity against revolutions. Because all that the West is doing in the post-Soviet space is preparing a revolution. Maybe this is our trouble, but certainly not our fault. We ourselves have experienced more than one revolution, with a huge price of human lives, destroyed cities and villages, and we don’t want others, and we don’t want ourselves. Therefore, the conclusion is very simple – you need to work … Soft power, whatever you call it, you need to work with society, you need to work with citizens, promote projects that people are interested in. This culture, language, sports, education, just human communication. And I believe that we can state here some positive results. You can not stop, there is not much of this kind of events. But now, with almost every country of the CSTO, we also have interregional forums, there are cultural days, much more, there are educational exchanges. Branches of Russian universities are being created. I was just in But now, with almost every country of the CSTO, we also have interregional forums, there are cultural days, much more, there are educational exchanges. Branches of Russian universities are being created. I was just in But now, with almost every country of the CSTO, we also have interregional forums, there are cultural days, much more, there are educational exchanges. Branches of Russian universities are being created. I was just inAzerbaijan , a branch of MGIMO is being established there . And this is a very popular form of work.

On Monday, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov gave a long interview to Komsomolskaya Pravda Photo: Mikhail Frolov

On Monday, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov gave a long interview to Komsomolskaya PravdaPhoto: MIKHAIL FROLOV

D. Aslamov:

– But not the most influential. The most influential form is still the mass media. Simonyan alone cannot work for everyone. We need our own media. We need local media that focus on us.

A. Baranov:

– But who will let you go there, Dasha?

D. Aslamov:

– There are a lot of people who want to work this way. They just have no money.

S. Lavrov:

– About this and speech.

D. Aslamov:

– What, there is no money for it?

S. Lavrov:

– At the Ministry of Foreign Affairs – no.

D. Aslamov:

– Why not squeeze our oligarchs? Let everyone oversees their zones.

S. Lavrov:

– Our people, who have major opportunities, they buy media resources, including in the Russian Federation, this is happening. If someone is interested in doing the same abroad, then we probably will not mind.

D. Aslamov:

– Why do Americans do it calmly?

A. Baranov:

– Because they have more money.

S. Lavrov:

– They do not buy on behalf of the state. They buy on behalf of …

A. Baranov:

– Fast forward to the Kuril Islands. Opinions are divided. Shit fuck them in the bank or … Some Alexander Belinsky asked: why not rent out the Japanese? Sovereignty will be ours. China rented a village, and received a modern metropolis of Hong Kong. Do you play chess?

S. Lavrov:

– Played. Now there is no time.

A. Baranov:

– There is such a concept of zugzwang, when any move leads to a deterioration of position. We did not have this peace treaty, and why do we need this paper? There are diplomatic relations. There are economic relations. There are no military and never will be.

S. Lavrov:

– Why a peace treaty or for rent?

A. Baranov:

– And on this base to consider the issue of the Kuril Islands.

S. Lavrov:

– We are interested in good relations with Japan . Unless Daria demands to break her diplomatic ties with her. Maybe, by the way, she is in a fighting mood today. The situation is very simple. We are people who follow international law. In 1956, the Soviet Union concluded an agreement with Japan – the so-called 1956 Declaration. When the Soviet Union ceased to exist, the Russian Federation was recognized by the state not even the legal successor, all the Union republics became the legal successors, except the Baltic states, and Russia was recognized as the only state that continued the Soviet Union. There is such a legal term. According to which all the obligations of the USSRwe took over, as did all the assets of the Soviet Union. This was one of the grounds for concluding an agreement on a zero decision on property abroad within the framework of the CIS. We took on all the debt obligations of the Soviet Union, and all property passed to us. What is happening now.

Minister Sergey Lavrov is “Mr. Yes” or “Mr. No”? Yes, anyone, just not “Mister, what would you like? Photo: Mikhail FROLOV

Minister Sergey Lavrov is “Mr. Yes” or “Mr. No”? Yes, anyone, just not “Mister, what would you like?Photo: MIKHAIL FROLOV

So, therefore, when President Putin was elected, when this issue first emerged for his presidency, when he met with then Prime Minister Mr. Mori, he said that we reaffirm, as a country – a successor of the Soviet Union, the 1956 declaration. And we are ready on this basis to conclude a peace treaty. Now in Singapore it was confirmed, or rather, they agreed to declare that we agreed to intensify negotiations on the conclusion of a peace treaty on the basis of the 1956 declaration. Here it is important to understand what this document is about and what the situation is now in principle around it. It says: to conclude a peace treaty. After that, the Soviet Union is not in the order of return, but in the order of a gesture of goodwill, in the order of taking into account the interests of the good-neighborly Japanese people, it will be ready to conveyHabomai and Shikotan Island . The President has repeatedly explained, including at a press conference in Singapore and then in Buenos Aires, that this is not a direct commitment of the Soviet Union, which passed to Russia, but has yet to discuss how to transfer, to whom to transfer, and so on. And when to pass. And in what capacity to convey. It was the year 1956.

After that, events of 1960 occurred, when Japan concluded a security guarantee agreement with the Americans, according to which Americans can set up bases anywhere, on any part of Japanese territory. In accordance with which the Asian segment of the US global missile defense is already being created, with the deployment of anti-missile systems, and these installations can also be used under Tomahawks, in Japanese territory. This situation was the subject … By the way, Japan itself came out of this declaration. And the Soviet Union reacted to the conclusion of a security treaty with Japan. When it says “on the basis of a declaration,” it is naturally impossible to ignore the fact that since then there have been more events of 1960, which now, from the point of view of the American military presence on the Japanese islands, threats to our security are already becoming very serious. We have all formulated this to our Japanese colleagues in consultations on the lines of both the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Security Councils. We are waiting for a reaction from them. For us, this is of direct practical importance.

But most importantly, when we speak on the basis of the 1956 declaration, this means Japan’s absolutely unconditional recognition of the outcome of the Second World War. As long as our Japanese colleagues are not ready for this, they make it very clear that this will not work. But this is a serious thing.

A. Baranov:

– Too weird. In San Francisco, they signed a contract.

S. Lavrov:

– My colleague recently spoke publicly that he apologizes to the Japanese media for having repeatedly abandoned the answer to the question about the upcoming talks. And he said that I do not want to talk about this topic, because the position of Japan has not changed, and if I say this, I will provoke my Russian colleagues to express their point of view. Consider that he is not something that provoked … We never hesitated. But if the position has not changed, then this means that we are just where we were. This is a failure to recognize the outcome of the Second World War. And recognition of the results of the Second World War is an essential first step in any conversations, especially in any legal negotiations.

A. Baranov:

– Maybe it should be left to the judgment of future generations, and so fix it?

S. Lavrov:

– We do not refuse to talk. But I have outlined to you the conditions and the framework in which these conversations will go.

A. Baranov:

– Sergey Viktorovich, if you allow me, a few personal questions that our readers ask.

S. Lavrov:

– Let’s.

A. Baranov:

– You are one of the most popular and well-known politicians in our country. How do you feel about yourself?

S. Lavrov:

– I never thought about it. I am pleased to communicate with people when I am somewhere at work, not at work, I communicate with young people. I’m interested in listening to questions and listening to comments. If my work receives a positive assessment, I, of course, am pleased for our ministry.

I am pleased to communicate with people.

A. Baranov:

– “Dear Sergey Viktorovich! As is known, in the West, the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the USSR Andrei Andreevich Gromyko was called just “Mr. No”. Andrei Kozyrev, most likely, was “Mr. Yes.” How would you characterize your image in this way? Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov – who is Mr.? ”

S. Lavrov:

– Yes, anyone. The main thing is not to “what are you willing.”

A. Baranov:

“In your interviews, you almost always call our enemies partners.” What for? A partner is a like-minded person. ”

S. Lavrov:

– Sometimes it is impossible to convey the irony in intonation.

A. Baranov:

– You said in one of your interviews that you highly respect the work of Vladimir Vysotsky as a poet. What words from his works would you characterize the current international situation?

S. Lavrov:

– (Laughs) Probably, “There are no more seashores …”, etc.

A. Baranov:

– Vyacheslav Berezin: “Recently, your opponents are carrying this. Well, you have an excerpt. And how you want to slap them in the forehead, I’m sorry. Ready to give you boxing gloves. Is it difficult to communicate with your negotiating partner if you feel that he has a stone in his bosom ? ”

S. Lavrov:

– Yes, I got used already.

A. Baranov:

– Anton Novikov from Voronezh asks: what helps you maintain such calm and composure?

S. Lavrov:

– Probably hardened, or something, I have over the years. In New York, a good school on the subject of responding to all sorts of crisis situations in the Security Council. When someone resorts, something burned there, something happened, an urgent resolution must be adopted. And we want to figure it out before twitching.

A. Baranov:

– Elena Berezina asks: Were there any episodes in your work as a minister when you were very anxious or even scared?

S. Lavrov:

– No, I think so. For working as a minister … Considering that I’m already accustomed to face a bit of crisis situations for the period I’ve been appointed, I’m already in this position, probably, this experience helps.

A. Baranov:

– Nina Vasilyevna Amelina in verses asks a question: “Would you like to drop everything and swim along the river with a guitar, make a fire and talk about peace and love at sunset?”

S. Lavrov:

– Yes, I would definitely like to. Moreover, I do it.

A. Baranov:

– Grushevsky Vladimir Nikolaevich, a pensioner, a labor veteran from Moscow, asks: what is the biggest fish you caught on the river rafting? Where did it happen? How much did she weigh?

S. Lavrov:

– I do not remember. I am by no means a fisherman. When we raft for the same Katun, there two members of the team are engaged in fishing. And I do campfire, camp arrangement.

A. Baranov:

– Vladislav Sharygin, Moscow: if you had a time machine, which of the leaders of our country of past years or even centuries would you like to talk to? And what is the main question you would ask this person? Who of the past US presidents would like to talk to?

S. Lavrov:

– Of our fellow tribesmen, probably, Gorchakov. Much has been written about him. All his achievements in diplomacy are well known. Probably, I would have asked about the same thing that I was asked two questions ago, about the excerpt that allowed him to return the Crimea. About US presidents …

A. Baranov:

– What would you ask? Who killed you, President Kennedy?

S. Lavrov:

– Not. Probably with Harry Truman . After the policy of Roosevelt, he abruptly turned in the direction of the Cold War. It would be interesting to understand why. Although everyone understands this. Because the Soviet Union was a true ally of the West in the war. But still an ally situational. Although that situation was a situation about the life and death of all mankind almost. And the alliance was real. But, nevertheless, we were not considered to be our own. And then they saw the threat.

A. Baranov:

– Alena Kuzmicheva: if you had the opportunity to turn back time and influence any one event in our country or in the world, what would we change?

S. Lavrov:

– First, I do not have such an opportunity. Secondly, I do not want. And thirdly, it is known that history has no subjunctive moods. And whatever God does, it’s all for the best.

A. Baranov:

– I would save the Soviet Union .

S. Lavrov:

– It’s just impossible. There are many proverbs, including “dreaming is not harmful.” Unfortunately, this …

D. Aslamov:

– Do you think the Eurasian Union as the structure itself will stand? Considering the situation with Lukashenko?

S. Lavrov:

– I think it will stand. It is in any case common interests. For less than five years, we had the Customs Union, then the Eurasian Union, but compared to the period that it took the Europeans to reach this level of integration, we are taking some kind of leaps and bounds. However, after the collapse of the Soviet Union there was a big gap in economic ties.

D. Aslamov:

– And Lukashenka says that he is going to go out at all.

S. Lavrov:

– You know, we, as well as the leaders of other countries, judge the policies of other countries not by words, but by concrete ones. When the US president talks, he also says different things.

D. Aslamov:

– This is chantage?

S. Lavrov:

– I dont know. This is a preparation for negotiations. Whatever you like. I can’t talk about Trump saying that he is blackmailing someone, although he is pushing hard.

A. Baranov:

– The question is very unusual. “What would you save first of all from the burning building of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Sergey Viktorovich?”

S. Lavrov:

– Do not bring the Lord. We have a good fire safety system.

A. Baranov:

– Tatyana Popova, Elektrostal: “What kind of cuisine do you prefer to get in good mood?”

S. Lavrov:

– Yummy.

A. Baranov:

– And more specifically?

S. Lavrov:

– Sour soup, borscht. I love the first very much.

A. Baranov:

– Hope asks. “Dear Sergey Viktorovich, tell us, what kind of rest helps you relax your nervous system? And what kind of music do you like? You are always in great shape. How do you do this? ”Maybe rap love? Now it is fashionable.

S. Lavrov:

– No, I somehow didn’t like rap. I love bards – Vysotsky , Okudzhava , Vizbor, Mityaeva(most recently spoke with him). And relaxing in nature.

A. Baranov:

– Konstantin Grishin, Kaluga: “If you had found a magical casket on New Year’s Eve, opening that, you can make any wish that, of course, fulfilled, and concerns you personally, what would you have thought?”

S. Lavrov:

– (Laughs) Does it concern me personally? I do not even know. Did not think about it. Not used to guessing. Somehow I am no longer a dreamer, but a realist.

D. Aslamov:

– And when the clock strikes, you do not guess how everyone does ?

S. Lavrov:

– Not. And I do not think that everyone does this.

A. Baranov:

“Many of us have some hope for something good …”

S. Lavrov:

– No, to guess … We have such a parable, perhaps, in the team with which we raft on rafts. What we do not drink ahead. That is, we do not celebrate something to come. We celebrate what happened. If the birthday has passed or has come, we raise the champagne. But let’s raise a toast for something to happen there – we have no such tradition. It is even considered wrong.

A. Baranov:

– Figuratively speaking, in recent years, if we take foreign policy, was there anything for you to raise champagne?

S. Lavrov:

– I will not evaluate the work of my ministry.

A. Baranov:

– Why not? By the way, many such epithets are used as “admired”, they wish you …

S. Lavrov:

– You know, probably one of the most significant issues in recent years – it was an agreement on chemical disarmament of Syria, which allowed us to avoid American aggression. This agreement was formalized in a UN Security Council resolution. But, unfortunately, after this happened, this organization for the prohibition of chemical weapons, which was engaged in the physical export and destruction of toxic substances from Syria, she underwent such a raider attack. This is a separate story.

D. Aslamov:

“You mean after the Scripals case?”

S. Lavrov:

– No, this is not after the case of Skripale. It was primarily associated with Syria. This is a separate story, which is connected with the fact that now some of our Western partners are trying to substitute international law for rules based on rules. While being silent about the fact that the rules are not meant universally agreed, but those that they consider convenient for themselves. And this is already openly written in the west. In particular, the English The Times (I watched yesterday) wrote that a departure from international law is accompanied by a transition to a very unstable system, where relations will be determined by the balance of power (brute force or economic, financial strength as blackmail) and bilateral agreements.

This is what Americans are trying to do about breaking the multilateral structures, including the WTO, trying to break, and moving from relations with the European Union, they say: let’s better, we will regulate all our problems bilaterally. Yes, that was a really serious achievement when we agreed on chemical disarmament in Syria. And now, under various pretexts, which are sucked from the finger, in simple terms, the Americans and their closest allies are trying to declare that not everything has been destroyed. Although the international structures – this OPCW – in the presence of observers, including from the United States, verified the destruction of all chemical facilities and all chemicals in Syria. We have such partners.

D. Aslamov:

– Do we have any influence in this organization yet?

S. Lavrov:

– Yes.

A. Baranov:

– Vera Gordeeva asks to recall, what was the most unusual gift for the New Year? And what gave?

S. Lavrov:

– I somehow do not linger in a hard disk. I do not remember. Probably…

D. Aslamov:

– And in childhood?

S. Lavrov:

– Probably, this is already erased from the memory. Now we are more and more thinking about work, and not about the New Year.

A. Baranov:

– “We respect and love you very much. On the eve of the New Year holidays we want to wish you good health and great patience in your work, ”write our students from Novosibirsk.

S. Lavrov:

– I, taking this opportunity, would also like to wish all the listeners, readers of Komsomolskaya Pravda, Happy New Year, Merry Christmas. All the best to you. So that no one is sick. To all was well. Love the “Komsomolskaya Pravda”. Take care of Daria. Because without it will be boring.

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